Ho bisogno del vostro aiuto di esperte chimiche:
ho trovato questo elemento da bollino rosso in un prodotto per capelli tutto verde che mi piacerebbe continuare ad usare e vorrei sapere quanto brutto è!!!
Grazie!
BEHENTRIMONIUM METHOSULFATE
Ciao Zanchi!!
digitando su google il componente sono arrivata qui dove dice: Behentrimonium Methosulfate : Proviene dall'olio di semi di colza combinato con un gruppo metilsolfato (estremamente delicato e, al contrario del più economico cloro, non irritante). E' il tensioattivo districante più delicato disponibile sul mercato.
spero possa esserti utile!
(tra l'altro interessante quel glossario, non lo conoscevo)
digitando su google il componente sono arrivata qui dove dice: Behentrimonium Methosulfate : Proviene dall'olio di semi di colza combinato con un gruppo metilsolfato (estremamente delicato e, al contrario del più economico cloro, non irritante). E' il tensioattivo districante più delicato disponibile sul mercato.
spero possa esserti utile!
(tra l'altro interessante quel glossario, non lo conoscevo)
Dunque, ho chiesto alla persona che produce questi prodotti se poteva togliere questo ingrediente e lei mi ha risposto così:
Hi Annalisa
Thank you for your feedback on the Creamy Café Latte.
I just wanted to ask you about BTMS, do you have any scientific documentation to substantiate the claim that BTMS kills sea flora?
I've asked my chemist and a few medical researchers prior to including this ingredient within my goodies and they all mentioned that there is no threat to the environment.
If you have any documentation that I can pass onto them I would be very grateful.
All the best.
Così mi chiedevo se qualcuna di voi, (io ho un'ignoranza in merito enorme) ha una documentazione scientica o comunque qualcosa che io posso passare a questa persona.
Grazie!!!
Hi Annalisa
Thank you for your feedback on the Creamy Café Latte.
I just wanted to ask you about BTMS, do you have any scientific documentation to substantiate the claim that BTMS kills sea flora?
I've asked my chemist and a few medical researchers prior to including this ingredient within my goodies and they all mentioned that there is no threat to the environment.
If you have any documentation that I can pass onto them I would be very grateful.
All the best.
Così mi chiedevo se qualcuna di voi, (io ho un'ignoranza in merito enorme) ha una documentazione scientica o comunque qualcosa che io posso passare a questa persona.
Grazie!!!
Mi ha ri-risposto con questa mail:
Hello
Thank you for your prompt reply and well done on being apart of a forum that brings wealth to the brain!
I do take all aspects of my business seriously and love it when customers keep me on my toes with queries such as yours.
SAFETY ASSESSMENT:
-----------------------
As you know, here in the EU all products must be safety assessed prior to being sold to the general public (this is not the case in the USA).
All of my hair & skin care goodies are assessed and then Certified for sale by my chemist/toxicologist who I have worked with for over 4 years now.
We have conducted loads of analysis on various ingredients and have been in the forefront of eco-environmental matters since the year 2000.
WHAT IS TRIMONIUM:
----------------------
Tri means three (3)
Monium is a salt
Together they mean Three-Salts but the question to ask is three-salts of WHAT?
With regards to ingredients ending in "trimonium" - BTMS is *not* toxic nor does it harm the environment as it is a bio degradable ingredient.
FACTS & DOCUMENTATION:
---------------------------
According to the Environmental Working Group's Skin Deep Cosmetic Safety Database which states that
BTMS does NOT pose any risk of:
Cancer
Developmental/reproductive toxicity
Violations, Restrictions & Warnings
Allergies/immunotoxicity
Contamination concerns
Source:
http://www.cosmeticdatabase.com/ingredi ... d06=700658
Here's a list - with accompanying documentation of the non degradable, non-eco friendly "trimonium" on the market today:
Cetrimonium Chloride has a high toxicity and *not* biodegradable nor is ACETAMINOPROPYL TRIMONIUM CHLORIDE (very toxic)
Whereas Behenyl PGTrimonium Chloride on the other hand is less toxic (NOEC > 1 mg/l) and
degradable under aerobic and anaerobic conditions.
Source:
Soaps and shampoos
Ecolabelling Norway
09.09.2005
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/ecolabe ... eb1609.pdf
AND
http://www.cosmeticdatabase.com/ingredi ... d06=700655
DIMETHICONE HYDROXYPROPYL TRIMONIUM CHLORIDE
Silicones and siloxanes, dimethyl, 3-[2-hydroxy-3-(trimethylammonio)propoxy]propyl methyl, chlorides
Not biodegradable
Source:
http://www.miljoestyrelsen.dk/udgiv/pub ... 02_eng.htm
AND
http://www.anec.org/attachments/ANEC-R&T-2006-R-004.pdf
Cinnamidopropyl Trimonium Chloride
Hazard Assessment
· R22 Harmful if swallowed
· R38 Irritating to skin
· R41 Risk of serious damage to eyes
http://www.nicnas.gov.au/PUBLICATIONS/C ... TD1165.asp
CONCLUSION:
---------------
Before you take anyone's word for anything conduct your own research and see what YOU find.
This is the only way to educate yourself and challenge what is/has been said online or in public.
I make it my business to do this all the time as a means of gaining a better understanding of our world and environment.
Hope this has helped.
All the best
Grazie & Ciao for now.
Anita
In ogni caso, vero o non vero (io non ho la qualifica per saperlo) è davvero molto molto gentile!
Hello
Thank you for your prompt reply and well done on being apart of a forum that brings wealth to the brain!
I do take all aspects of my business seriously and love it when customers keep me on my toes with queries such as yours.
SAFETY ASSESSMENT:
-----------------------
As you know, here in the EU all products must be safety assessed prior to being sold to the general public (this is not the case in the USA).
All of my hair & skin care goodies are assessed and then Certified for sale by my chemist/toxicologist who I have worked with for over 4 years now.
We have conducted loads of analysis on various ingredients and have been in the forefront of eco-environmental matters since the year 2000.
WHAT IS TRIMONIUM:
----------------------
Tri means three (3)
Monium is a salt
Together they mean Three-Salts but the question to ask is three-salts of WHAT?
With regards to ingredients ending in "trimonium" - BTMS is *not* toxic nor does it harm the environment as it is a bio degradable ingredient.
FACTS & DOCUMENTATION:
---------------------------
According to the Environmental Working Group's Skin Deep Cosmetic Safety Database which states that
BTMS does NOT pose any risk of:
Cancer
Developmental/reproductive toxicity
Violations, Restrictions & Warnings
Allergies/immunotoxicity
Contamination concerns
Source:
http://www.cosmeticdatabase.com/ingredi ... d06=700658
Here's a list - with accompanying documentation of the non degradable, non-eco friendly "trimonium" on the market today:
Cetrimonium Chloride has a high toxicity and *not* biodegradable nor is ACETAMINOPROPYL TRIMONIUM CHLORIDE (very toxic)
Whereas Behenyl PGTrimonium Chloride on the other hand is less toxic (NOEC > 1 mg/l) and
degradable under aerobic and anaerobic conditions.
Source:
Soaps and shampoos
Ecolabelling Norway
09.09.2005
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/ecolabe ... eb1609.pdf
AND
http://www.cosmeticdatabase.com/ingredi ... d06=700655
DIMETHICONE HYDROXYPROPYL TRIMONIUM CHLORIDE
Silicones and siloxanes, dimethyl, 3-[2-hydroxy-3-(trimethylammonio)propoxy]propyl methyl, chlorides
Not biodegradable
Source:
http://www.miljoestyrelsen.dk/udgiv/pub ... 02_eng.htm
AND
http://www.anec.org/attachments/ANEC-R&T-2006-R-004.pdf
Cinnamidopropyl Trimonium Chloride
Hazard Assessment
· R22 Harmful if swallowed
· R38 Irritating to skin
· R41 Risk of serious damage to eyes
http://www.nicnas.gov.au/PUBLICATIONS/C ... TD1165.asp
CONCLUSION:
---------------
Before you take anyone's word for anything conduct your own research and see what YOU find.
This is the only way to educate yourself and challenge what is/has been said online or in public.
I make it my business to do this all the time as a means of gaining a better understanding of our world and environment.
Hope this has helped.
All the best
Grazie & Ciao for now.
Anita
In ogni caso, vero o non vero (io non ho la qualifica per saperlo) è davvero molto molto gentile!
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